Nico v tvejch přízpěvcích se nedá orientovat neboť špatně používáš "citace" .Tvoje "quote" se neorámuje a přízpěvek a reakce na reakci je pak nezvýrazněná a nevím jak ostatní ale já se už v tom neorientuju.Možná je to důvod,proč si nerozumíme.
Nicméně,je jedno jaká značka oleje se do auta používá,podstatný jsou specifikace. Mopar byl použit jen jako příklad,jelikož je to prvonáplň u Chrysler koncernu.Mopar oleje nevyrábí ale nechává si je podle svých specifikací vyrábět. Mopar je tunigová odnož Chrysleru a jeho dvorní výrobce náhradních a tunigových dílů. Oleje od Moparu nejsou nic extra ale na druhou stranu splňují podle užití přesně to,co výrobce vozidla vyžaduje.Nic se s ním rozhodně nezkazí.
Je dost zásadní rozdíl mezi automatovýma olejema s označením v římských číslicích a v normálních číslicích a ještě k tomu doplňených o znaménko "plus" ! Velikost čísla je jen jakási výkonová třída ale typ číslice dělá základní rozdíl mezi ATF oleji
Tady pár výrobců olejů. Vyrábí jak ATF -římská číslice-Dexron ,tak ale i ATF +
Penzoil
http://www.pennzoil.com/products/trans_ ... plus3.html
http://www.pzlqs.com/Tech/Pdsheet/Domes ... f/ATF3.pdf
Proč je tam napsáno? : *Always check owner's manual for exact application. This product should not be used in transmissions requiring DEXRON ® -III†, MERCON®† or MERCON®† V transmission fluids
Tady je ESSO a jeho PSF:
http://www.imperialoil.ca/Canada-Englis ... LESPSF.pdf
76 Lubricants Comp.
http://www.smallandsonsoil.com/docs/76/atf_plus3c.pdf
Petro-Canada
http://www.iob.cz/pc_prevodoveoleje.php
Valvoline
http://www.valvoline.com/pages/products ... product=63
a takhle bych mohl pokračovat dál.
Kdysi jsem si stahnul vše co jsem našel o ATF plus olejích a jejich rozdílech o proti jinejm ATF. Našel jsem to a tak to sem přetisknu.Nepamatuju si zdroje ale jen nějaký bláboly bych si nestáhl.Byly seriózní zdroje.
ATF+4® MUST always be used in vehicles that were originally filled with ATF+4®.
ATF+4® is compatible with ATF+3 and can be used to top off vehicles that currently have ATF+2 or ATF+3.
DO NOT use ATF+2 or ATF+3 to top off vehicles that have ATF+4® fluid
The use of non-recommended fluids can result in transmission failure. The usual results are erratic shifts, slippage, abnormal wear and eventual failure due to fluid breakdown and sludge formation. Avoid this condition by using recommended fluids only.
00 not use anything but Mopar plus 3 or plus 4. I have tried several other brands in three different Jeep Transmissions (AW4, 42RE and 46RE) as well as dodge units, all have exibited various shifting problems especially when hot. switch ing back to Mopar fluid solved the problems.
I have driven Mopar products for many years. I presently own 2 XJs, a ZJ and a 1965 oodge polara. Have owned several oodgetrucks and many other Mopars. All these vehicles have shifted better with the Mopar fluid in the trans. The newer electronic transmissions are the most sesative. other fluid brands do not have the same additives
These transmissions and all in the Jeep, oodge electronically controlled series should only be filled with Mopar ATF+3 or +4 fluid. Mopar +3 and +4 are compatable because +3 is being fazed out. I've been there done this with several trans from this series. They do not like other brands of fluid. The fix is to dump the fluid, change the filter and refill with Mopar ATF +3 or 4, drive it for a day or two and dump it again. If you don't want to dump the fluid 2 or 3 times take the Jeep the dealer or some other place with a presurized fluid machine. Keep the fluids clean, the bands set and run the proper fluid and these units will provide many years and miles of trouble free service.
The initial development was done using Shell's XHVI base oil. only much later were other Group III base oils approved. (currently, SK in Korea and petrocanada are the only additional approved base oil suppliers.) The use of Group III base oils is probably the leading cause for ATF+4 beinga more expensive fluid than ATF+3 (which according to the paper uses a Group II base oil).
Lubrizol developed a new shear-stable viscosity index (VI) improver
specifically for ATF+4. The initial tests of this VI improver in the
Ms9602 test fluids were 50 remarkable that chrysler modified the then-current ATF+2 spec (MS71760) to include it. Thus ATF+3 (MS7176E) fluid
was born; it remained the factory fill until the introduction of ATF+4.
In testing done during development of ATF+4, chrysler noted the following viscosity 1055 from shearing fůr the following ATFs (20 hour KRL Shear Test):
oexron III - 40% 1055
Mercon V - 19% 1055
Type 71760 - 32% 1055
Type 7176E - 14% 1055
Type 9602 - 10% 1055
Vou can see what a significant impact the new viscosity improver had on ATF+3 when you compare the 71760 and 7176E numbers. From the standpoint of viscosity 1055 alone you can see why Oexron III should not be used in transmissions that require ATF+3 or ATF+4. In terms of other basic performance parameters, ATF+3 (7176E) comes the closest to ATF+4, with Ford's Mercon V a close second. [which
doesn't mean that Mercon is acceptable.] .
The goal in developing ATF+4 was to create a fluid that would match the performance characteristics of the current fluid (Type 71760), but would retain those characteristics for at least 100,000 miles. The paper specifically notes that the anti-shudder properties of ATF+3 are usually degraded enough by 30,000 miles to cause noticeable shudder.
contrary to popular myth, one of the stated goals of Type 9602jATF+4 fluids was that it would have the same frictional characteristicsas ATF+3.The paper explicitly states that this was because new clutch materials would not be introduced for this fluid and it had to be backwards compatible with ATF+3. Graphs in the paper show that the friction coefficient of fresh ATF+3 and ATF+4 is essentially identical, but as the fluid ages ATF+4 retains the "as new" coefficient while ATF+3 degrades.
The paper noted that one'alternative was to use synthetic Group IV base stock, which are even more expensive than the ATF+4 solution, which provided Group IV style performance from Group III stock. ATF+4 meets strict low-temperature, oxidation, and volatility performance requirements and relatively low cost ¬believe it or not.
valvoline now makes an ATF+4 fluid. '
ATF+3ATF+3 is a friction-modified, high-quality transmission fluid similar to the current fluid in most respects; but it wears out more quickly and has less desirable cold viscosity(to simplify: is too thick whencold). ATF+3 can be ' approximated by Dexron plus an additive but this does not save much money and i~ not as des i rabl e 'as usi ng the córrect fl ui d to begi n wi th.
Dexron itself is the General Motors-specified fluid from far back in automotive history. while it was once the standard for all American autos, that time has long passed, with Ford settling on Mercon and chrysler on ATF+3 (and now ATF+4); other manufacturers also require their own fluids.
Engine oil has been used as an automatic transmission fluid, again in the antiquity of automatic transmissions; it is still used in manual transmissions, but generally a single-grade oil is used.
usageYou can use ATF+3 with all older chrysler transmissions (except as noted below - some Jeeps). ATF+4 is another story. This is from a chrysler engineer:
If there isa doubt about which grade of ATF to use, follow the owners manual recommendation. AFT+4 in certain specific tests was shown to be incompatible with 'certain seal material. This incompatibility may cause a premature failure depending on the duty cycle of the vehicle. The fluid will work as intended however, it may cause a seal failure.
chrysler is not the only company to require a unique transmission fluid. Dexron has long since pas sed its prime, and modern transmissions require modern fluids, which more refined properties. Toyota, Ford, Nissan, and other major automakers also require unique fluids.
AdditivesDavid Castater noted: "I used Lucas transmission additive on the recommendation of my local Kragen counterperson ... what a mistake!!!! we startec seeing shudder at 55+ mph. The dealership told us it was the torque converter ' dropping out of lockup and the tranny would fail and should be replaced ($3,000). This was a dealer purchased rebuilt transmission less than 4 years old! My local AAMCO manager changed the oil and filter, added a"friction modifier", and reprogrammed the computer. No problems since!!"
Transmission Fluid
All 93 up ~ Chrysler products other then Minivans that were factory filled with ATF+20r ATF+3 should now be updated to the Semi synthetic ATF+4. The new ATF+4 offers many benefits as seen below
Benefits Include:
Better anti-wear properties Improved rustjcorrosion prevention Controls oxidation
Eliminates deposits Controls friction
Retains anti-foaming properties
superior properties for low temperature operation Index
Fluid Color
Mopar ATF+4 is a world class Fluid having exceptional durability. However, the red dye used in ATF+4 is not permanent; as the fluid ages it may become darker or appear brown in color. The ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. with ATF+4 fluid, colorand odor are no longer indicators of fluid condition and do not support a fluid change. Use 45K miles or 3 Years as your guide also replace filter and have bands adjusted at service intervals.
very important! Make sure you get the correct type of fluid for your transmission. Refer to the owner's manual or markings on the dipstick if in doubt.
General Motors applications usually require Dexron II, Dexron IIe or Dexron III, or a fluid that meets these specs. Dexron IIe is required innewer electronic transmissions, and Dexron III is a long-life fluid that can also be used in older applications that require Dexron II or IIe.
older Fords as well as some imports require Type F, but most newer Fords requlre Mercon or Mercon V. Mercon can also be used in older Fords that requires type H or CJ fluids (which are obsolete), but 1998 and newer Fords require Mercon V.
chrysler typically specifies Dexron II for older automatics, but requires a special fluids that meet various Mopar ATF plus specifications in its newer transmissions (ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4, etc.). chrysler warns that using Dexron II or III in itsnewer transmissions can cause shudder andshifting problems.
Here is a direct quote from the chrysler factory service manual:
It is important that the proper lubricant be used in these
transmissions. MOPAR ATF PLUS (automatic transmission fluid-type 7176) should be used to aid in assuring optimum transmission performance. Fluids of the type labelled DEXRON II automatic transmission fluid should be used only if the, recommended fluid is not available. It is important that the transmission fluid be maintained at the prescribed level using the recommended fluids .
TRANSMISSION FLUIDS
Over the years, there have been a confusing arrayof different ATF type s and specifications. Make sure the replacement fluid meets or exceeds al] OEM requirements. using the wrong type of fluid may cause transmission problems and damage.
Type F -- Introduced by Ford in 1967 for their automatics. Also used by Toyota. Type CJ -- special Ford fluid for c6 transmissions. Similar to Dexron II. Must not be used in automatics that require Type F.
Type H -- Another limited Ford spec that differs from both Dexron and Type F. Can be replaced with Mercon.
Mercon -- Ford fluid introduced in 1987, very similar to Dexron II.okay for all earlier Fords except those that require Type F.
Mercon V -- Ford's newest type, introduced in 1997 for Ranger, Explorer v6 and Aerostar, and 1998 & up windstar, Taurus/sable and Continental. Must not be used in 1997 or earlier Fords.
Dexron -- General Motors original ATF for automatics.
Dexron II -- Improved GM formula with better viscosity control and additional oxidation inhibitors. Can be used in place of Dexron.
Dexron IIE -- GM fluid for electronic transmissions.
Dexron III -- Replaces Dexron IIE and adds improved oxidation and corrosion control in GM electronic automatics.
Dexron III (H) lLYz Improved version of Dexron III released in 2003. Dexron III/saturn -- A special fluid spec for Saturns.
Dexron-VI lLYz For 2006 GM Hydra-Matic 6L806-speed rear-wheel-drive transmissions, can also be used in 2005 transmissions that require Dexron III but is NOT recommended for older transmissions or Saturn VUE transmissions;
Chrysler 7176 -- For chrysler FWD transaxles.
chrysler 7176D (ATF+2) -- Adds improved cold temperature flow and oxidation resistance. Introduced 1997.
chrysler 7176E (ATF+3) -- Adds improved shear stability and uses a higher quality base oil. Required for four-speed automatics (do NOT use Dexron or Mercon as a substitute).
chrysler ATF+4 (ATE)1LYz Introduced in 1998, ATF+4 is synthetic and replaces the previous ATF+3 fluid. used primarily for 2000 and 2001 vehicles, it can also be used in earlier chrysler transmissions (except 1999 and older minivans with 41TE/AE transmission). ATF+3 should continue to be used for 1999 and earlier minivans because of the potential for torque converter shudder during break in.
NOTE:chrysler ATF+4 Must always be used in vehicles that were originally filled with ATF+4. The red dye used in ATF+4 is not permanent. AS the fluid ages it may become darker or appear brown in color. ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Therefore, do not relay on the color and odor of ATF+4 to determine if the fluid needs to be changed. Follow the OEM recommended service interval.
chrysler ATF+S for 2002 and newer models. IMPORT APPLICATIONS:
BMW LT71141 or LA2634 -- special formula for BMW transmissions. Genuine Honda ZL ATF -- special ATF for Honda automatics (except CVT applications).
Mitsubishi Diamond SP-II & SP-Ill -- special formula ATFS for Mitsubishi transmissions.
Nissan J-Matic --1LYz special formula for Nissan transmissions.
Toyota Type T, T-III & T-IV -- special formula ATFs for Toyota and Lexus transmissions.